Believers [in] Messiah Never Agree to Disagree

“and this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” Messiah Yeshua, John 17: 3 (NKJV)

Jesus said to her (Mary Magdalene), “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ “Messiah Yeshua, John 20: 17 (NKJV)

Greetings Friends,

I can safely say, which means the Spirit of God is leading the way as I do; the words Yeshua spoke, as given to us by the Apostle John in his writings (above), they’re in agreement with the One Yeshua called “You, the only true God,” and “My God,” and “My Father,” His God. The evidence of that being [Biblically] correct will be found within it, the [Bible].

Then Jesus said to them, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things.” John 8: 28 (NKJV)

·         Key word being “taught”.

1)      “as My Father taught Me”

“For I have given them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.” John 17: 8 (NKJV)

·         Key word being “given”.

1)      “You have given Me,” with “You” being God and “Me” being Yeshua

2)      “For I have given them,” with “them” being Yeshua’s disciples and “I” being Yeshua

So, with those [Bible] verses (John 8: 28, John 17: 3 and 8, and John 20: 17) we can easily establish Yeshua’s “My Father,” and “My God,” and “You, the only true God,” God, as being the origin of the words Yeshua spoke; unless there’s a new/different meaning to the words “My,” and “You,” and “given,” it must be so. Therefore, we can also [easily] establish God, “You, the only true God,” taught Yeshua everything He spoke; Yeshua not wanting to do “nothing of Myself,” anything outside of God’s will; doing His own thing so to speak. Yeshua clearly establishing the words He spoke were not His; unless there’s a new/different meaning to the words “is not Mine,” it must be so.

·         “He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the (“My Father”) Father’s who sent Me.” John 14: 24 (NKJV)

With Yeshua clearly establishing God as being His God, and Father, in John’s writings, he, John, will certainly be found agreeing with Yeshua if he continues to do so, establish God as being Yeshua’s God, and Father, in them. In Revelation 1: 6 (NKJV) we’ll find the evidence of John (in his writings), doing just that:

·         (Speaking of Yeshua) “and has made us kings and priest to His God and Father, to Him be the glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen;” [and] in chapter 3, and verse 12 (same book), where he records Yeshua’s words doing the same; God being, His God; Yeshua using the words “My God” four times in a single verse of [Scripture]; let alone the [many] others doing the same.

Now, let’s continue to look at John’s writings and see how they line up with the centerpiece [foundation] of mans creation, they choosing to make the Son of God, “God,” and see if they continue to be in agreement with not only his own words, but Yeshua’s as he wrote about [them], as well.

The Apostle John, once again:

·         1 John 5: 4 (NKJV): For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith. (5) Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? (6) This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. (7) For there are three that bear witness in heaven; the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

·         1 John 5: 8 (NKJV): And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.

Key words being: “My Father” Father, “the word which you hear is not Mine” Word, Holy Spirit, and these three are one.

Knowing:

·         Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15: 28 (NKJV)

Yeshua Himself will be subject to God when He delivers (1 Corinthians 15: 24) the kingdom to His “My God” God, the “My Father” Father.

QUESTION:  Looking to be (“agree as one”) in agreement with not only him, John, but Yeshua, as well, can you tell me where Yeshua fits in John’s writings (1 John 5: 7 or 5: 8); based on the [Biblical] evidence?

1)      Man saying the Son of God is “the Son is God,” Word (John 1: 1), God; agreeing with both the Anthanasian Creed (325-AD), and man interpretations of the [Scriptures], in doing so; with man at the helm.

Or:

2)      The Scriptures (John’s writings included in them) clearly are establishing the “One, You, the only true God,” God, and not Yeshua, as being the God of not only Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but “My God,” Yeshua’s, as well, within them; which can only be seen by those [in] Messiah; the Spirit of God leading the way.

I’ll give you my answer [knowing] the Spirit of God [is] leading the way as I do, “1 John 5: 8, number two!” I certainly don’t want to be found disagreeing with the “One” that taught Yeshua everything He spoke.

God bless!!

In His Loving Care…Jim